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LAST POST: Jun 30, 2011 8:34 PM by pista

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I was comptemplating getting a micoach pacer. The question I have is does the device actually use heart rate to calculate caloric output or is it set by distance? It's the deciding factor in jumping the nike+ ship.

 

Thanks!

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  • I don't know what the exact calculation is but it is certainly based on more than just distance.

    I have workouts in my list with shorter distance but higher calories than other workouts.

    I also have two workouts with exactly the same calories, with one more distance and time than the other, but lower heartrate.

  • I think the calorie count is based on heart rate monitor, because when I run without stride rate sensor, only with HRM, it counted calories anyway.

    • I would like to know how calculation is done as well, I ran 5k this morning miCoach gave me 473 Cal, from Nike+ (stride sensor only) gave me 350 Calories.

       

      Distance recorded, by the way, is very close 5k vs 4.96k.

      • I believe the miCoach uses weight, speed and distance to calculate the calories. I'm not sure of the equation but there are a few online calucators which seem to give similar results to the miCoach.

        • Agree.

           

          It would be interesting to know the methode and formula the Micoach uses to calculate calories used.

           

          Joost

    • I'm going to see if I can wear my Polar watch and then compare calorie to that and micoach to see how close they are - i'll post the results! I would assume its based on heart rate but would be good to hear from Adidas on this...

        • OK - so I did my little test and wore both heart rate monitors. All weught and age info etc match exactly and there was 23 calories difference between them - with the mi coach having the extra calories.  The average heart rate matched and I know my Polar works off heart rate alone - so its clear the MiCoach doesnt - unless it uses some other calculation! This was over a short distance of approx 1.2-1.4 miles - so over long distance can be quite a significant difference as I saw last Sunday with almost 400 more calories in a run than I used to get!

          Anyways - just thought id update you on my little test - and actually wasnt too bad wearing 2 monitors

          • Hi Halfpint, thanx for your test and results!

            It would be nice if Adidas would response to this question as well.

            From the first day i'm thinking miCoach is being a bit too positive about the number of calories being burned, but maybe all the other equipment is just not being right (e.g. in my fitness school).

            grtz, Drijn

          • I also did a little test with my exercise bike. It has a heart rate monitor, too. I measured my work out calories with micoach and the bike. The bike gave me 364 calories with an average heart rate of 126 bpm. micoach gave me 254 calories and 125 bpm average heart rate. That's quite a big difference.

             

            Csaba

  • I ditched my Nike+ after I got my Pacer (for many reasons). I have tested my pacer against Precor treadmill and the Precor always comes out a hundred calories higher than my Pacer. What is nice is that the Pacer does generally match the distance on the Precor, so I know that they are trying to make the same calculation. A friend of mine uses a Sunnto and his watch gives numbers like my pacer -- consistently lower than the gym equipment.

     

    -astrouga

  • Hi Runners,

    So, this touches a bit of all of your comments and points raised:

    Tracking calories burned is a great way to measure progress in your training, but as some of you know, the formulas used to calculate calories burned often vary from one device to another. Most calorie formulas also assume that everyone of the same weight burns calories at the same rate, which simply isn't true.

    The number of calories you burn is unique to your body. That's why miCoach Pacer calculates calories using a formula that takes into account your unique heart rate data, along with gender, height, and age. Heart rate shows how hard your body is working (the harder you work, the more calories you burn).

    Another advantage of the calorie formula used by miCoach Pacer is that it allows you to consistently track calories whether you're running, biking, or doing other activities. However, if you only use the stride sensor, then calories are calculated by your running speed instead.

    The best approach is to use a single device like miCoach Pacer and track changes in your calories burned per workout, day, week, month and/or year. Using a single device will give you a better record of your real changes in effort during your workouts, and you won't need to guess if the change was caused by a different formula.

    miCoach Team

    • I have a question - do you need to have the stride sensor on your shoe if you are doing gym workouts like cardio fitness classes or other cardio machines ?

      Thanks for your reply

      D

    • Really interesting / good stuff.

       

      I'm trying to get a handle on this too but from a different direction (setting training zones).  As part of this, to get my resting heart rate, I wore the HRM for a few hours this morning at home (getting breakfast), reading the paper (sitting doing nothing...so close to rest HR) and working at a desk.    I then used the output from MiCoach to compare HR and calorific burn during each of these activities.

       

      Summary was that rest HR was about 35 bpm and about 300 cal per hour, working in the kitchen was about 350 cal per hour.  I then guessed that sleeping would be 200 - 250 cal per hour.  The alarming conclusion to all of this is that, using these numbers, my calorific burn during a day would be 6,500 to 7,000 cals!!  (10 hours at a desk, 6 hours doing light tasks and 8 hours sleeping).

       

      For context, I am a fit, healthy 43 yo male - 200 cms and 95 kgs.  Body fat (measured using scales) ~14.5%.  According to most calculators, I should be consuming about 3,125 cals per day to maintain current weight.  I keep reasonable track of calorific intake and it's generally in this range.

       

      So my question is this - what am I missing!?  (probably something very obvious).  If I'm burning twice as many calories as I'm consuming why aren't I disappearing?!

       

      Please help with this as I'd like to have confidence in MC calorie measurement and understand what is going on here.

       

      Re other comments on this thread, I have never owned a HRM before MiCoach but, for me, calorific burn measured by MC is way below all gym equipment I've used (running machines, bikes, rowing machines).  My research told me that most gym equipment overestimates calorific burn by at least 10% but for me, over a 10 k steady state run (compared to MC), it's more like 25%.

       

      I look forward to hearing from someone on this.

    • I think I've found the answer to my own question re total calories burned during a day as measured by HRM.

       

      As I now understand it, the HR measured uses an algorithm to estimates the amount of calories burned assuming you are doing aerobic exercise.  This algorithm uses data on previously (accurately) measured information about the number of calories burned at particular HR levels and adjusts it for the age, gender, weight and height of the person doing the exercise to give an estimate of the calories burned by that person during the particular aerobic activity they are engaged in.

       

      Calories are burned when muscles use energy while exercising.  To facilitate this process, the heart beats faster.  And since there is a relationship between HR and calories burned while exercising, this can be estimated by MiCoach (etc).   But, fortunately, the heart also beats when we are not exercising! (and can speed up for reasons that have nothing to do with exercise - such as stress or anxiety).  But the MiCoach system always assumes that we are exercising and uses it's algorithm to estimate calories burned accordingly.

       

      It's a bit like a car.  When the motor is running, there is a measurable relationship between the speed of the engine and the position of the accelerator pedal.  But there is only a relationship between the speed the car is travelling and the accelerator pedal if the car is in gear.  MiCoach will only give an accurate approximation of calories burned if you are actually exercising.....otherwise, you are just measuring the engine speed (heart rate) with the car in neutral!

       

      Using this logic, the MiCoach gear will not give an accurate measure of calories burned when doing non-aerobic (anerobic?) exercise such as lifting weights.

       

      Please let me know if I've got this wrong.

  • dpa509 has got it right.  MiCoach is reasonably accurate when ESTIMATING calories burned on a run, but last night I watched TV for 2 hours and according to MC I burned up 600 calories.  If that were true it would be impossible for anyone to be a couch potato !  They would die of starvation while watching X-factor.

    • This is all starting to make more sense.

       

      According to the HRM, your excellent workout watching X-Factor was similar to my tough workout at my desk - roughly  600 cals per hour.  So, out of interest, I looked up (on Livestrong.com) an estimate of calorie burn would be for what could be considered "base level" aerboic exercise.  According to the good people at Lance's place, "Walking at 2.5 mph" (about 4 kmh....so barely strolling) burns about 285 cals per hour.  This leads me to guess that the base data which is applied to the algorithm that calcs calorie burn using HR assumes that the minimum calorie burn for the most non-taxing aerobic exercise is 300 cals per hour.

       

      In other words, if your "workout" results tell you that you aren't burning much more than 5 calories a minute, then you might as well not bother! 

       

      Enough of this....it may be Friday....but I've got to do some work!

      • Hello all,

        When using the miCoach device, the calorie count is the most accurate when you are actually within one of the zones. So if your activity has your Heart Rate below your blue zone, it becomes harder to find an accurate calorie count. When we refer to aerobic activity (which could include weight training) it is calculated according to the 4 miCoach zones and along with the other factors mentioned below. Watching TV will not give you an accurate count because most likely you aren’t even in your blue zone.

        To ensure your miCoach zones are correct, ensure that the personal info is correct on the web and re-sync the pacer.  Height, weight, age and gender along with zone settings are used in order to determine calorie count. If you are using the Heart Rate Monitor and textile strap with the Pacer then Heart Rate will be what is used to determine calorie count along with the above mentioned factors. If the Stride Sensor is all that is being used then distance will be used in conjunction with those other factors.

        Hope this helps.

        miCoach team

  • maybe offtopic, but good to compare and understand...

    hope it helps to everybody who is interested. caloric burn formula with good explanation

    (am not sure, whether used in Pacer, probably not cos giving different results)

    http://www.braydenwm.com/calburn.htm

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